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she would give every penny away. huckabee is now. thanks for watching. ♪ >> oh, compare me to nixon and waterdpaet now. that dpof goff huckabee started all of this and saying i will not see out my second term. huckabee told everybody that my administration lied to the american people. how dare he say that? i am transparent as it gets. we need huckabee silenced. send the irs to check his records and give him something else to worry about instead of harassing me and check his facebook time line, i am sure something is on there to tax him for. and send the drones to fly over his house.
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and confiscate huckabee's guns and see how he likes it when he can't go hunting anymore. and take his bass dpu tar away. no more music for huck hug and that will make him think again for challenging me. and now i need something for the media to get off of my back. hey, joe, it is the president. i need my vice-president to step up to plate for his country. i need you to do what you do best. go out and say something ridiculous in front of the cameras. let the media focus on. that ♪ tonight on huckabee. as three separate scandals rock the white house, the irs targeting the conservative groups take center stage. is this still america? is the governmento drunk on
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power it would turn his force and might to harass and intimidate an average american who only wants her voice and their voices heard? >> that average american is katherine. and she jones the governor tonight. plus. my question is not about who is going to resign. my question is who is going to jail? >> but they are not going to jail. >> instead they are promoted and in charge of our medical records under obama care. >> senator ram paul on the administration's lack of accountability. ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. (applause) >> thank you. thank you very much. we have a great audience here in new york and welcome to huckabee from the fox news studios in new
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york city. i might have been one of the first people to bluntly point out that the obama administration is not transparent and covering up scandals and lying to the american people. and now with the white house caught in the middle of three separate scandals, benghazi, and irs targeting of conservative groups and the justice department illegal probe in the journal phone records, the rest of the media is starting to catch up including the pundits who praised the president. >> he's accountable for it and i am offended by. it it is not a political or conservative or liberal. it is trusting your government. >> the transparency thing is crumbling. >> the president held a press government and he did well. he had been listening to their
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conversation. >> and lot of american a dults the last time the government looked in phone calls of the reporters and using the irs for political purposes twas the nixon era. when the government wants to do good things, managerial confidence falls between david brent and a cat chasing a hasser pointer. but when government wants to flex muscles, (bleep) you are the iron man. >> this is not the nixon administration where burglars and people talking about blowing up the booking institution. it is a case of is anybody home? >> the department of justice secretly recorded the phone calls of ap reporters. the incident will be investigated by the department of justice. >> the irs skroued up here and is not those documents illegally to the reporters. this is a problem. >> you bet it is.
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now obama world is rocked by scandal and controversy and criticism is not limited to fox news or talk radio or conservative belowinger on bloggers. >> it is permeating throughout the government, that is yet to be determined. o one thing emerges with claritty or the words of the president: let me be clear. not a funny comedy of errors is the response of the obama administration when pressed for who is in charge and who is responsible. no one knows anything about anything. at any time about anybody. we compiled the sampling of responses or lack thereof the attorney general eric the with holder holder. >> and why the associated press
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had phone records raided by the government. >> well chairman, i do not know what understand. that i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. i do not know. i don't know precisely. i simply don't know. >> yeah, i don't know. one wonders how a person with a distinningished academic background and long history of public service through several administrations and the highest law enforcement official in the land could have developed an acute case of amnessia. such forgetfulness is not limited to the esteemed attorney general. it may be a resume requirement. remember chuck hagel conformation. >> i don't know enough about it. a lot of things i don't know. i don't know much about them as you do. >> hey what about hillary
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clinton's insistence show was not aware of the attack on the facility in benghazi. >> i don't know. i don't have information on that. i have no awareness. that we didn't know. we don't know. i had no knowledge of them. >> and let's not forget jay carney, the white house press flack. he sure so manies to forget a lot. >> there was no knowledge in the white house. we were not aware of. that why? i don't know. we simply don't have information. we don't know that. i don't have information about. that >> but the selective memory is not limited to the underlings because the president himself seems to have lost his capacitty for recollection as well. >> i am not familiar of the notion, i will find out what exactly what you are referring to. i first learned about it from the same nows report that most people learned about it. i
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certainly did not know anything. >> oh, my. what we clearly have an administration in which no one is responsible. no one is cull pullable. and no one was part of the a failure and no one remembers being there. no one remembers a thing. they do remember who the people are they consider their enemies because they put themn a list and use the full powers of the irs to attack them and they bullied them by attorney turning loose regulatory agencies to put them through the grinder of government overreach. the government goons have unlimited resources to target us and terrorize us and torment us with questions and demands for documents that cost us fortunates in attorney and accountants cost. we are out our fees. and the government would have used the money they got from you to destroy you. and it will not cost them a thing.
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they keep their jobs and salaries and benefits and privacy. you will probably lose yours. maybe it is time for floor to ceiling house cleaning going on in washington. and maybe we ought to start with the disgustingly dirty areas. start with the irs. >> are you governor huckabee. >> we are in a middle of a show. >> wais this, seriously? it is from the irs. i am being audited. (applause) well, duringed from's irs hearings texas congressman kevin bread spoke about a woman from his home state that applied for tax exempt status. >> she was visited bite fbi and domestic terrorism unit.
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her personal returns and business returns were audited by the irs. she received four fbi inquiries. and in her business received audit ands unscheduled audits and the commissioner on environmental quality and the a tf twice. and now this is a citizen, in a maul business woman who had never been audited by the irs or any of the agencies until show applied to you for tax exempt status for her tea party. the broader question here: is this still america? . is this government so drunk on power that it would turn its full force and full might to harass and intimidate and threaten an average american who only wants her voice and their
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voices heard? . >> well katherine is president of true the vote and the woman that congressman brady spoke about in the clip and joins us in a huckabee exclusive. katherine, we are delighted you joined us today. >> thank you, governor. >> when i hear about the irs, fbi and ocea and all of the regulatory agencies that hounded down on you, what did you do to start this? >> well, i thought it might be appropriate to get involved. get involved in a way that i thought would be not a blip on anybody's radar screen. we filed a nonprofit apmri kagdz in july of 2010. we have been visited by 17 different instances of government agency involve sxment put through a mill i never imagined possible. >> 17 different visits from 17
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different agencies. you had a audit or visit from federal agents up to that point? >> no, this is a first. >> and tell us approximate the organization that you are creating through the vote. is it a group that threatens to blow up buildings? it sounds source. what is it that your organization even does. through the vote was designed to encourage citizens to work at the poes. we provide nonpartisan training for people to work in the polls and people to lock at voter role rolls and make sure every eligible voter has an opportunity to participate in a free and fair election. i have no idea the political mine field we were walking in to. >> how dare you want to monitor elections to make sure they are contacted in a fair and nonpartisan way.
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katherine, you should know approximate. that we can't have that in america. apparently that got you in all of the trouble. when we come back katherine, i want to ask you about what happened and the kind of cost to you and your family as a result of what has been an unbelievable attempt to harass an american citizen. katherine, when we return. i would like to hear from you. go to and tell me what you think in the with the new staples rewards program you get 5% back, on everything. everything. everything. everything. everything? [ all ] everything? everything. male announcer ] get free shipping and 5% back on everything your business needs. that was easy.
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voter fraud? >> we found causes for concern all over the country. it is something that most people didn't expect there is fraud related crimes in 36 states in the last 18 months. it is a topic that needs far more inspection and maybe that's the reason that so much inspection is put on us right now. >> the interesting thing, i want to clarify for our audience. you were not advocating for a particular candidate or out come just for the elections to be conducted to the strict letter of the law; am i correct on that? >> that is correct. there are many ways the citizens can serve in the process and we felt it was a great thing to encourage people to be involved in our process of elections and we still maintain that sais
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a good and a right and that american thing to do. >> so you file these papers and what was the first contact you had from the irs and what did they want to know? >> the first contact we had from the irs, the first general round of questions, they wanted to know things like we want to see every facebook posted and tweet you tweeted. we want to know where you have spoken insthe inception of the organization and to whom and what you said and what you intend. at some point those questions cross the line. >> we have seen a picture. this is a picture of a note bock with all of the different filings and all of the different requests that you have had that you had to submit to the irs, is that accurate? it is tall as a soda can. and that's what hay asked you
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for? >> that is one round. we are asked hundreds of questions. and what was the most intrusive questions that were posed to you? >> i think the questions that wanted to know more about my future intent and my family. i started his because i wanted to create a better future for our children and the thought that our dpft is asking specific and personal questions about my future intentions makes me uncomfortable. >> you file with the irs and then hearing from fbi and other ba tf. what did they want to know? >> all manner of things. the fbi was interested in the people who were coming to our programs. the burrow wanteditous open our
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safes and take our cereal. >> they asked you to open your safe at home? >> oh, no, no, let me make it clear. we have a license that as a manufacturer that we could make gun parts if we chose to. we don't do that and it is important to note that the agencies like ocea came in, have the authority to do so. what is concerning though is the rapid succession of the visits, the extensive and unplanned audits upon their a arrival and the fact that in 20 years of business we never saw exclusive those agencies. >> 20 years none of these people show up at your door and you file an application with the irs, and suddenly, you have how many visits, how many visits from federal agencies since that time? >> we've had 17 interactions and
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i am counting the rounds of questioning with the irs. but 17. >> unbelievable. >> katherine, you have had a choice to stay silent or speak out about what happened and you want you to come back after the break and talk about why you chose to speak out. we'll ask katherine that question when we return.
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>> we are back with katherine in an exclusive report for huckabee. now katherine, we were talking about why you came forward. why did you open up and start talking about what appears to most of us to be a form of harrassment from the federal government? >> well, governor, i department have intention on coming
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forward. i really thought that the best way i could protect my family would be to keep my head down. and when the burea u of alcohol and firearms came the second time, i said this is gone too far and we put together a time line with no idea that just a few weeks later the irs would come out to admit to targeting organizations that had pro liberty values. what has now occurred to me is that the best way i can protect my family is to come forward and bring my story to the american people. i submit that there are thousands more with stories just like mine to tell and i hope that they will tell them because i are in an important time in the life of our country and we need to get the truth. >> let's talk about what it
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costs you. you had to hire attorneys and accountants to go through the roars and answer all of the questions. you talk about one round. note bock high as a soda can, you have any estimate of how much it cost you and your family, not to defend yourself against criminal charges, but to answer a relentless series of government questions? >> the scope of all that we have been through probably come in to the range of hundreds of thousands of dollars. but what is incal can youable. if you don't have a nonprofit status to apply you to a ploy for grants and found augustses to work with you. you have a limited affect on the capacitty to do what you want to do. it is a struggle. >> congressman brady brought your case before the house ways
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and means committee. did you know in advance he would use your case as an example in? >> i didn't know that. i knew my time line was in the capitol and i knew people are talking about it. and the truth came out and i will stand byverything that is said and i look forward to talk in greater detail about what we have been through. >> if you don't get a status for true the vote, what does that mean for the org, inability to get grants and people contributing to the organization, there is no tax deduction and it makes it difficult to continue forward with the effort to eliminating voter fraud. >> yes, i mean, it will top to be a challenge and certainly that determination would make it much easier.
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one thing i learned in three years of being involved in the way i have been in a grassroots level, i have learned that americans will stand for the side of truth. they will stand. even if that means we don't have a determination that allows us to go to foundation, i believe that american citizens will be ready to stand for election integrity. and that's all we need. >> do you feel hounded by the federal government and made your life a living hell pause they had resources and unlimited power to do it? >> i believe and i feel that what we have been through understand for a reason. and yes, it is not been fun. that is to be sure. but i think that our role is to be messengers and bring focus to
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a larger debate that we need to be having in the country. citizens should not foretheir government. if in fact the federal government is making a coordinated effort to single out individual citizens, then that is a problem transcends party politics and speaks right to the heart of what we are as a representative republic. it is something that whether you have an r, d, or i by your name you should be on concerned if your government gets out of line and targeting. >> katherine thank you very much for talking about the case. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> this is exactly the kind of
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thing i was talking about earlier, when federal agencies show up in your doorstep and costing you what she said hundreds of thousands of dollars, what citizen can stand up against that? individually probably not anybody. but together we must and this is why i hope people in the political spectrum will recognize if it happens to someone else, it can happen to me and it can happen to you. if we don't stop it, it will happen to all of us. it must stop. the official in charge of the department that harassed katherine and other tax exempt applicants, that person is in charge of the office responsible for obama care. i will ask ram our landing time got moved back another hour. ( crowd chatters and groans )
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i am harris faulkner, we'll get you right back to huckabee. >> well, the hits keep on
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coming. the official in charge of the irs tax exempt department targeting of conservative groups, sarah hall ingram now runs the irs office responsible for obama care. i asked kentucky senator rand paul if he is concerned about the latest revelation. >> it is so tragic if it was not humorous. it is hard for me to believe that most of us not only want people fired who a bows their power and really some should be imprisonned and instead they are promoted and in charge of our medical records under obama care. we are quite unhappy and really, i think the president hasn't gotten this. whether you are a republican or democrat or independent, no body wants a government so powerful that they can use that power to abuse their political oppons and so i think they will find really a lot of people are upset with
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this, not just republicans but a lot of people worry about a government that powerful. >> most democrats were incensed that the irs would beoused as a political . they are circling the wagons and said those organizations needed to be investigated and even in the hearings where stephen miller was before the house ways and means committee. demdeps are asking questions that only mistakes were made and nothing was intentional and is that credible? >> no. peggy had a article in the wall street journal and talked about well is not any likelihood that it was random. they were asking people for what bocks they read and what speeches they gay and thoughts about different political candidates and the level of this, there is no way there is not a paper trail on this. i am assuming and this is the government, nothing just sort of
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understand spontaneously. i guarantee you there is a paper trail a couple of inches thick approving the process and there is documentation that people were targeting simply for showing the concern about the direction of government and showing opposition to government policies. >> you know tis almost as if the phrase would be show me your papers and that is what rings in all of this. this is one of several controversies that the president is facing. give us a grade on obama faces up to benghazi, the ap controversey and the irs controversy. >> when i think of assessing the president's response to having the enormous power, i think what lincoln said. any man can stand adversity. but if you want to test a man give him power. the power of the commander in chief, we hope we can trust that man or woman to restrain themselves from abusing power.
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we have laws to restrain it, but you need a president that restrains himself and not abuse that power. some argue that he probably didn't get involved in the nitty-gritty of an irs. it is setting up a culture that by all means go after your enemies and we'll use it. romney's irs records were apparently leaked by somebody and used in discussion points by democrat s and that is a serious question to unite republicans and democrats, i am a republican, but i don't want republicans in the president see investigating them and democrats. >> senator, stay with us, we want to come back and get more, including the comments you made recently about former secretary of s
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each weekday hear my commentary. details at >> senator, in all of the happenings on capitol hill, the president seeps to distance himself from the controversies and make it seems like he is no knowledge and outraged as anyone else. do you find that response to the controversies. >> it is a misdirection and
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trying to lay blame on people other than yourself. if you are a leader your cullability may be with the decisions made pelow. hillary clinton is precisely the point. puss buzz pickering said we absofsh her of not providing security in penning bengbecause the decisions were made beneath the level of the secretary of state. show should have been involved. libya is one of the five most dangerous posts on earth. and when they asked for security, she let underlings make the decision that is a real mistake. i question how much involvement she had in the aftermath. her frents are all over the talking points that were altered. her spokesman said we have to get rid of terrorism references because it bites us politically.
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>> you are bold and blunt and said her handling of the situation in benghazi was dereliction of duty and precued her from holding higher office. is hillary clinton disqualified from being president based on her handling of benghazi. >> the american public will decide that. but when bill clinton had a problem less a shton was asked before the attack for more armorred personnel and military back up and support and he denoticed it and he resigned in disgrace. the situation with hillary clinton they asked for additional help for six months. she didn't have money or time for libya or benghazi but sending hundred thousand to put a electricam charging station in the ambassador's resident and sending hundred thousand on a comedian tour. and indian american to make chi
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and not war tour. they had 80 million on a conulate that will never be opened because they built it in the mitted of the city and there are balconies that could be shooting down on the embassy and that is a lack of leadership. demdeps say it is political theater. and the republicans are interested in the political advantage for 2014 and all of the accusations and questions just point to election and political advantage. respond to that, senator? >> i don't think we have gotten to the root of the problem in benghazi. i said the review board missed one essential fact. benghazi is not paris. benghazi should never have been under state department control and should have been under the military command and control. i still that is true. i think that the libyan government and host government
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is not capable of guarding our ambassador or embassy. look who was guarding. look who hillary clinton decided to use to guard the ambassador. a unofficial militia who hightailed it out of there. they were gone when the shots started to be fired. we have embassies and typically the host country is responsible for protecting them. in a war- torn area we should have a military presence to defend our ambassador or we shouldn't be there. i am fearful that is enough unstable that something like this could happen again. >> senator, it is a pleasure to have you here. have a great weekend. >>ine the president said he's outraged over the irs targeting terrorist terrorist groups and coming up. something who said they were something who said they were just doing their [ phil ] when you have joint pain and stiffness...
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>> i would >> mike: i would like to thank reggie brown for his impersonation of president obama at the opening of the show. for more information how to book reggie for private events go to i am reggie brown. >> the real president and his administration always quick to dismiss any criticism from this network. but the heat has been coming in from all sides. even bun of the president's biggest fans in the immediate. chris matthews is questioning his leadership. >> what part of the presidency does obama like? he doesn't like dealing with politicians. that means his own cabinet and members of his party. he doesn't like the press. he likes the right to speech. what part does he like?
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going on the road and campaigning and visiting businesses like he does every couple of days some where in ohio? what part does he like? because he doesn't leak lobbying for the bills he cares about. he doesn't like selling it to the press. does he like actually giving somebody the power? he doesn't seem to like to be an executive. >> mike: wow! it reminds me of the great blues song by b.b. king the thrill is gone. joining us is editor of above the law .com elle nissel and tara sethmyier. great to have both of you here. the person in charge of the irs division that was targeting all of the conservative groups is now going to go over and handle the healthcare part of obamacare with the irs. how concerned should americans be? >> they should be he very concerned. they should have been concerned when obamacare was getting ran through congress in the first
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place but now that people are finally paying attention and realizing wait a minute i'm paying how much in tabs? it going to cost us how much? the people at the irs who are like storm troopers. the irs is the most feared agency in the world next to maybe the kgb. and these are the people tasked with enforcing making sure that everyone has health insurance? it is a disaster. this woman got $103,000 in bow nesss. taxpayer funded money. was basically promoted and oversaw the targeting of conservative and religious groups and she is getting a promotion. you are telling me that no one know hass is going on here. >> mike: steven miller salt there with a straight face and said the reason this happened is they were just trying to be so efficient. >> hilarious. let's not forget, steven miller was fired. he is is gone. now, i underand it obama did not -- obama did not take him out to the middle of times
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square and flog him like people might want. i think this is a fair point when you apply for tax exempt status does that make you immediately above the law? can we not ask a question as to whether or not your application is, correct? i think that is what they were trying to do. did they do it correctly? no. were they perhapses a bit overzealous? sure. >> about you do we as taxpayers get to have the convenient excuse sorry i didn't know. no, you end up in jail and they take your business and your bank accounts. we don't get that excuse you. why should they? >> i don't think it should be in the purview of the irs. if congress, if the do nothing congress had acted and given us better guidelines as to what constitutes a charitable organization or not we wouldn't be in this. >> oh, come on. >> mike: here is the question. the problem is not that they went through the forms and were diligent. they were only diligent with one side. they didn't apply the diligence
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to left wing groups. that is the problem. the 14th amendment. >> i think that is a case-by-case basis. a lot of progressive groups in texas are saying wait a minute i didn't know it was illegal for the irs to ask me a lot of questions. >> really? >> the point is this has gotten partisan in terms of what constitutes charitable organizations and what constitutes a political organization. we live in a culture where one of the most charitable things you can do like giving coupons to henry people has been politicized. if we can't agree on whether or not food stamps are charity certainly it is okay to say the irs should not be in the business of making these determinations, congress should be. >> this is what it is. and i would -- i would leak someone to come out and say what muslim groups were targeted this way. there were any muslim groups asked what prayers that they pray? no. what organizations leak acorn and all of these social justice organizations were they asked
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whiprayers they pray, who is on their donor list? they weren't. that is the issue here. don't deflect away and blame the frickin' tax code. it is an -- >> i generally don't think that two wrongs generally don't make a right. saying like oh, let's go after muslims to even the score. >> that is not what i said. i said did that happen? it didn't. the point the governor made was this was a one sided clearly targeted thing for are people who didn't agree with the administration. the ones who didn't agree with the administration party on israel and tea party folks questioning -- >> by people held accountable for that. >> no, in terms -- his termwee. a convenient resignation. >> are you interested in assigning blame or fixing the problem. the focus needs to be on
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congress. if you want to assign blame. >> it is not either or. that is what liberals do. either or. it is accountable. the government is supposed to be accountable to the people and in this instance they need to be accouable. congre can try and fix the tax law. how about a fair tax? you ly need one -- >> mike: i'm for that. i'm for that. >> we can have the discussion. >> mike: and thanks for being here. the great think you brought up the fair tax here is why that would be wonderful. not only does it transform the economyut more importantly gets rid of the irs and you don't have the bureaucrats deciding on w is right and what is wrong and obviously we goto have both of you guys back because this is kind of fun. i think we will celti sell tics and have popcorn. wonderful. great to have you wh us night. >> thank you f joining us. i assure you there is much more to be tked about as to whether the irs can burst into your home and ask yu in fact
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demand to find out what you prayed last nig. you better say your prayers. we will be saying ours. until next week from new york this is mike huckabee. good night. god bless. . dee . . . . why are twice as m choplechoosing verizon
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